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How to Witness to Mormon Missionaries

Mormon Missionaries

By far the most common way people come into contact with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or Mormons, is through speaking with two young well dressed men, wearing a little badge with Elder….. on it. These guys spend two years of their lives usually when they are 18-19 in an allocated area by the LDS Church, working 6 and a half days a week, either seeking to make new contacts or following up with contacts already made, with a view to sharing the LDS gospel and baptizing people into their church. Its a genuine joy for them but sometimes not without its pressures and strains.

Often times Christians see them as annoyances, or lost causes, far too steeped in Mormonism to be worth the time to share the gospel with. Others see them as the perfect witnessing opportunity, enjoying the opportunity to throw everything they know that’s wrong with Mormonism right at them.

This article over the course of 10 points is seeking to show that these guys are so worth the time and effort that it takes to share the gospel with them, and also that it’s not necessarily helpful to see them as targets to which you should throw everything false you have ever heard about Mormonism. I hope this is helpful and I look forward to comments from Mormons and Evangelicals alike.

1, Be aware of how they see their role and the probable immaturity of their faith.

Mormon Missionaries are by and large 18-20 year old guys, (there are girls too, the same here applies) who have been raised Mormon and like many teenager’s have likely spent the last few years with a take it or leave it attitude towards Church. They will have however reached an age where they will have been told its time to grow up, grow in your own faith and go on a mission. (There will be some who have spent their teenage years lapping up all things church and will have done a lot of reading, however my experience has not brought many of these.)

Mormon missionaries do not see themselves as apologists, theologians, scholars or defenders of the faith as such. They see themselves as teachers, wanting to teach the “gospel” to all who will listen, they will varying from missionary to missionary have dialogue with people critical of Mormonism, but this will rarely last long, they simply do not see this as their role, there is nothing dishonest on their part about this.

They will have started their missionary life with 6 or so weeks at Missionary Training Centre (MTC), this is where they are introduced to the disciplines of Missionary life. This includes always being with their “companion” (apart from bathroom visits) working 6 and a half days a week, with every day starting with 2 hours of study, starting at 6:30am. Not being allowed to watch a movie over a U rating, not being allowed to read anything but approved church material and not being allowed to listen to any music but church music and so on. During the MTC they are not being trained in the depths of Mormon Theology or history, but rather they are learning back to front and off by heart the lessons in the Preach My Gospel Manual.

Preach My Gospel

These lessons are basic foundations of Mormon belief, there is much that they would never talk about with you, such as the teaching that God was once a man, and many others. Sometimes they are not saying because they are abiding by the milk before meat concept (more on this below), or they just don’t know. They just know that they are to teach you the lessons  from the manual and that they want you to have your own “Testimony” or Internal witness of the truthfulness of what they are saying. Some will engage in some theological discussion with you, however if and when they realize that you are looking to dialogue with them, and are not intending on being baptized a Mormon, they will likely stop meeting up with you. This happens to us all sooner or later.

2, Don’t rush!! Lay a foundation and build genuine relationships! Always be loving and respectful!

This article is assuming that you are meeting with missionaries in your home for a number of meetings. If this is a one off meeting in the street etc I would recommend arranging to meet them at your home or another location when you have more time. If this is not possible please try as best you can to apply this article to your circumstance.

So whenever I have met with missionaries in my home I have always sought to lay 2 foundations in the first meeting. 1 – Get to know them. Missionaries are excellent sincere, overworked usually quite happy people, get to know them, their background their interests etc, build genuine relationships. 2 – Very simply tell them that you are going to patiently listen to what they have to say and take it seriously, however whatever they say will be measured against the Bible. I have never known this be a problem, you might also take them to Acts 17:11. (As a side note, Mormons tend to use the King James Version of the Bible, when speaking with them I usually do the same, however this is not a massive deal.)

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I simply say that if the Apostle Paul was subjected to scripture then I intend on doing the same with them. It is perfectly fine as the weeks go on to develop this, ask them about some teaching or historical aspect of Mormonism that you might want to use to witness to them, however not too much too fast, or you will be seen as an “Anti-Mormon” type and the meetings will soon end.

3, Don’t hold them accountable for all the wrongs that Mormonism has ever done!

Mormon Missionaries know overall very little about the problematic issues of Mormonism’s past. They do not necessarily know that Joseph Smith married other men’s wives and so on. While these can be helpful points to try to show them the falsehoods of Mormonism, it is not fair to pose them as challenges, expecting them to give an excuse for these things.

4, Understand the differences between how they use certain terms and the way you do. 

 It is so easy to sit with Mormon Missionaries for an hour and find nothing to disagree with them on. Imagine this dialogue between myself and a fictional missionary.

Me – I believe that Jesus is God.

Missionary – Great so do I, Jesus is so important in our faith.

Me – I believe that salvation is a work of grace.

Missionary – So do I, unless its by Gods grace, I have no hope.

Me – I believe the Bible is Gods word.

Missionary  So do I, the Bible is central to our faith.

And the list could very much go on, however the meanings that they have for these terms and names are so different. Lets go through them one by one.

Jesus. 

10th Mormon Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith said this:

“CHRIST GAINED FULNESS AFTER RESURRECTION. The Sav- ior did not have a fulness at first, but after he received his body and the resurrection all power was given unto him both in heaven and in earth. Although he was a God, even the Son of God, with power and authority to create this earth and other earths, yet there were some things lacking which he did not receive until after his resurrection. In other words he had not received the fulness until he got a resurrected body, and the same is true with those who through faithfulness become sons of God. Our bodies are essential to the fulness and the continuation of the seeds forever” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:33).

In Mormonism Jesus is God, or rather a god. because He went through His plan of salvation and earned His exaltation in the same way we all have to. The difference was that in being the firstborn of our heavenly parents He had an elevated status from the start. This is not by any means, what Christians generally understand by believing that Jesus is God. They deny the Trinity, instead teaching that the Father, Son and Spirit are 3 separate gods.

Salvation

Mormons are taught that there are 6 different meanings for the word salvation.

•Salvation from physical death.
•Salvation from sin.
•Being Born again
•Salvation from Ignorance
•Salvation from Second death
•Exaltation or eternal life.
The LDS manual true to the faith says this about the first one.
All people eventually die. But through the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, all people will be resurrected—saved from physical death. Paul testified, “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” 1 Corinthians 15:22

Often when Mormons say they believe in salvation totally by grace they are referring to this. With reference to salvation from sin, the manual says this:

To be cleansed from sin through the Savior’s Atonement, you must exercise faith in Jesus Christ, repent, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:37–38). If you have been baptized and have received the Holy Ghost through the proper priesthood authority, you have already been conditionally saved from sin. You will not be completely saved from sin until you have finished your life on the earth, having faithfully endured to the end.
We start to see the requirements for salvation above and beyond the works of Christ in our life here, this becomes more clear when talking about exaltation.
In the scriptures, the words saved and salvation often refer to eternal life, or exaltation (see Abraham 2:11). Eternal life is to know Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and dwell with Them forever—to inherit a place in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom (see John 17:3D&C 131:1–4;132:21–24). To receive this great gift, we must do more than repent of our sins and be baptized and confirmed by appropriate priesthood authority. Men must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, and all Church members must make and keep sacred covenants in the temple, including eternal marriage.
When Mormon missionaries say they believe in salvation by grace it’s really worth noting the different meanings that they hold for the word salvation, and not to take the initial response at face value, have them clarify their terms.
The Bible
Again Mormon Missionaries will very sincerely tell you that they believe in and respect the Bible, the 8th article of faith at LDS.org says this:
“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . .”
While they do believe the Bible, it is believed in the context of their other 3 books of scripture and also the teachings of their “Prophets”. They are also taught that many plain and precious truths have been removed from the Bible over the years. This is very different to how Christians as a whole would see the Bible. It is worth having a good understanding of how the Bible has been put together and why it is reliable if possible.

5, Tell them what you appreciate about their faith.

So often we Christians can get so wrapped up in the “falsehoods of Mormonism”, that we can see Mormons as people trapped in some killer cult that makes them miserable, leaving them waiting for someone to rescue them out of it. The reality is many Mormons love being Mormons, they have an excellent sense of solidarity, community and purpose in their movement. The Mormon Church is active in humanitarian work and caters for its members social needs often very well. Its worth looking into this a little and sharing what you appreciate their faith, showing you are not just some “Anti-Mormon” trying to tear apart their faith.

6. Share with them your story, and the assurance you have of your hope!

Some of us when we get a knock on the door from groups like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses love the opportunity to debate theology and “put them in their place” as it were. However many more of us want to say something but don’t necessarily know all the Bible verses or have the time to back that up. Simply sharing your story of how Jesus has changed you and saved you can be very powerful. I would say though really emphasis the assurance that you have of your forgiveness from God and ultimately, eternal life or your eternity to come with God.

In 1 John 5:13 it says:

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We as Christians can be sure of our right standing before God. We can know that we will spend eternity with Him not based on our works but by His grace. Mormons by and large will not say this, whenever I have asked this of Missionaries the response is usually “I hope I will spend eternity with God.” Spencer W Kimball an LDS Apostle who later became president wrote this in his book, the Miracle of Forgiveness.

“Immortality has been accomplished by the Savior’s sacrifice. Eter- nal life hangs in the balance awaiting the works of men” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 208)

They cannot know for sure that their eternity will be with God as they have not “endured to the end” faithfully yet, the Bible does not leave us with this doubt, confidently and lovingly share this with them even if you are going to have them in over a longer period.

7, Passionately and theologically communicate Jesus! Be prepared to explain what you believe from the Bible!

Mormon Missionaries today are easily as quick as any Christian will be to talk about Jesus. They will genuinely talk about how central He is to their faith, and how much they desire to follow Him and proclaim Him to all. Again this is very genuine on their part, however this is where really having a good Biblical grasp of the doctrine of Christ and a little background information on Mormonism can really help.

For Christians Jesus is the eternal Son of God, who has always existed as God. In coming to the earth He laid aside His glorious position as God and became a man, going through the humiliation and pain of the cross, returning back to the glorious position He already held. All things were made by Him and For Him (Colossians 1:16).

In Mormonism Jesus is the firstborn son of our heavenly parents. He held the position of being a god in the pre-existence by virtue of being the firstborn, however He had to come to earth to gain a physical body and prove Himself worthy of exaltation in order to be fully exalted after the resurrection. Jesus went back to the Father a god in the fullest sense, which could not be said for His state when He left the Father.

The well-known Mormon Apologetic book “Offenders for a word” (p.58). In response to the common evangelical charge that Mormons believe in a different Jesus put together this comparison.

 Jesus compairon

Historically the Jesus Mormons follow is the same, however theologically they are worlds apart, be careful to make this distinction and really communicate to them the differences and why they are so important. Gordon B Hinckley the 16th Mormon Prophet said this:

“In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.’ ‘No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'” (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

Jesus said unless you believe “I am He” you will die in your sins (John 8:24) what we believe about Jesus counts in an eternal way, this is the most important area that you can communicate to a Mormon. Its the difference between a Jesus who earned His exaltation that can save us by both His efforts and ours. Or the eternal, glorious by nature Jesus who saves us by His mighty works.

8, Be prepared for how you will respond to the request to pray about the Book of Mormon. 

It’s almost guaranteed that in your first meeting with Mormon missionaries they will turn to this passage in the Book of Mormon with you.

Moroni 10:3-5

3- Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the creation of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 
4- And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 
5- And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

Mormons will almost always appeal to their “testimony” to explain why they “know” the Mormon Church is true. They will say you can know this too by reading the Book of Mormon and praying to ask God if its true. If you have an internal feeling when doing this they will say that this is confirmation from God that their faith is true. The problem is that if you feel nothing or even feel that its not true this does not end the discussion. They will take you back to the verse and say you need to go back with more sincerity and real intent and ask again. This cycle is, in theory a never-ending one.

I would suggest that when this comes up you take them to Acts 17:11-12 and read this:

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

These “noble minded” Jewish berean’s searched the scriptures meaning the Old Testament to see if this New Testament gospel was true, the response is that many believed. I would suggest simply telling the missionaries that you will use that same method with the Old and New Testament to check the validity of what they are saying. This is by no means an aggressive response nor is it intended to be, this is usually accepted by them with no problem.

 

9,  Don’t use strawman arguments!

I’m sure if Mormon Missionaries were given a pound  for every time they get asked “aren’t you the polygamous guys?” They would not be short of pennies indeed. This one is simple just make sure any points you make are actually points about what they believe and not simply something a critical person or website has said without full possession of the facts of Mormon belief. Many Mormons have different views of things and of course the easiest way to know where your missionaries stand is simply to ask them.

However on the other hand its worth noting that missionaries may not present many aspects of Mormon belief to you unless you bring it up, even though they probably do believe them. This is called “milk before meat” and is something they are taught to do.

So don’t use strawman arguments but also be aware that on the other hand they may well believe many of the things you have heard that they do. so again just simply ask them.

10,  Be encouraged, Mormons do become Christians!

Often the biggest hindrance that can arise in witnessing to Mormon missionaries is just that sense of doubt that they would ever respond anyway. There are two things to note here. Firstly they may well not respond in their time of meeting with you. Leaving Mormonism is a massive cultural shift not without its consequences in family and social circles, so while you very likely will plant seeds, don’t be discouraged if you don’t see the fruit of that.

Secondly it actually does happen. Mormons even while on their mission have become Christians. The most well known recent case is that of Micah Wilder. Please take the time to listen to his story.

 

Thanks for reading, I hope this helps, the most important thing is just to know what you believe and why, and as 1 Peter 3:15 says

 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Lorenzo Snow Manual Chapter 3 by Vicky Gilpin.

teachings-of-the-presidents-of-the-church-lorenzo-snow-manual

In this post I will be looking at chapter 3 in the book, ‘Teachings of the Presidents of the Church – Lorenzo Snow. This Chapter is entitled ‘Lifelong conversion: Continuing to advance in the principles of truth.’
What does this mean, ‘Lifelong conversion’?

 

To a Christian that’s a contradiction in terms, most Christians understand Conversion to be a ‘moment’ a point in life where the decision for Christ is made.

 

(One point I want to make here is that when I say’ Christian’ I do not wish to offend any LDS readers, I understand that you consider yourselves to be Christians as Christ’s followers, however for the sake of clarity, I will always refer to LDS as LDS and Mainstream Christians as Christians.)

 

We can see scriptures which give a grounding for the Christian understanding, consider the thief on the cross, who Jesus told, ‘Today you will be with me in paradise,’ He didn’t have the luxury of a life time in front of him, yet Jesus accepted him immediately into his kingdom. Don’t forget, this was a thief, and goodness knows what else, he himself considered his crimes worthy of crucifixion, as he said to his companion, “Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.”(Luke 23:40-41).

 

Could a man such as this based on his own ability, be able in such a short time, to fully ‘repent’ as LDS Understand the word?

 

“Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence…” (Moses 6:57) (LDS SCRIPTURES)

 
Repentance is a big part of salvation in the LDS thinking, repentance also being a process, one must truly repent in order to be saved, according to the LDS book ‘Gospel Principles,’ in order to repent one must; ‘Recognise their sin, feel sorrow for their sin, forsake (stop) their sin, confess their sin, make restitutions for their sin, forgive others, and keep the commandments of God.’
On first read of that list you might think ‘well that sounds ok, their all good things to do!’ But there is a difference in feeling sorrow for sins, being convicted of them, and then as a child of God knowing gods immediate mercy and forgiveness, and feeling condemned, not knowing that forgiveness readily, and feeling helpless as you fight to stop sinning by your own efforts.

 

To ‘forsake your sins,’ well every Christian desires to do this, but by our own strength? And completely stop? There’s a well-known saying in the LDS culture, which is, ‘You do your best, Jesus makes up the rest.’ You have to do ALL that you can do and Jesus will make up the rest? I ask our LDS readers, are you doing ‘all that you can do?’ and if not what then?

 

“…go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.” (Doctrine & Covenants 82:7)
This is a shocking scripture one that is often overlooked but if you are LDS this is what your Church teaches. Unless you stop sinning completely the next time you sin, all your former sins will return to you! This is the impossible Gospel of Mormonism.

 

Look how this compares to the true gospel (gospel means good news by the way,)

 

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

 

Our truly merciful God forgives our sins not based on our righteousness but on His, and then he remembers our sins no more!
Let’s look at another scripture, the sinful woman, the scriptures call her ‘a woman of the city, a sinner,’ she was most likely a prostitute. This woman anointed Jesus’ feet with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair. Speaking to the Pharisee Jesus said…

 

Luke 7:47-50
47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

 

So this woman, well known to be a sinner, was told by Jesus that her sins were forgiven, and that she was saved. Jesus didn’t tell her to go away and apologies to anyone, or to be more sorrowful over her sins, he didn’t tell her to confess all to the bishop. He said that her sins were forgiven and that her faith had SAVED her. He also by the way did not tell her that if she sinned again she would lose that salvation.

 

On page 68 we find an anecdote, which Snow uses to describe lifelong salvation.

 

‘Place a cucumber in a barrel of vinegar and there is but little effect produced upon it in the first hour, nor in the first 12 hours. Examine it and you will find that the effect produced is merely upon the rind, for it requires a longer time to pickle it. A person’s being baptised into this church has an effect upon him, but not the effect to pickle him immediately. It does not establish the law of right and duty in him during the first 12 or 24 hours; he must remain in the church, like the cucumber in the vinegar until he becomes saturated with the right spirit, until he becomes pickled in ‘Mormonism,’ in the law of God; we have got to have those things incorporated in our system,’

 

Notice twice there he mentions Law. That’s where the LDS view comes from that salvation is a process, Mormonism is a religion of works righteousness, and what I mean by that is that you are earning your salvation. Before you argue that you’re not consider this.

 

If I were to give you a gift, then that’s it, you don’t have to do anything but accept the gift from my hand. Now if you were to insist on paying as much as you possibly could towards the cost of that gift, then by definition it would no longer be a gift, you have worked to pay for part of it. I would also be greatly offended at your offer of payment. This is how God sees our work, if it is work that we think earns us our salvation then the Bible tells us that our works are as filthy rags to Him.

 

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

 

So should we not work? Should we not obey the laws of God? By no means!

 

Ephesians 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

Notice the order, we are saved first, ‘unto good works,’ we are saved so that we can work for Him, we are not saved by those works. The LDS Church teaches that salvation is a process because of all the works or laws that it expects you to obey before salvation can come. It has to be that way, if the church teaches that you have to obey all the laws and ordinances in order to be saved then salvation would have to be a process for this to be even remotely possible. But this view simply disagrees with the Bible! Did God change his mind? Or is the Bible conveniently errant in the points that don’t suit the LDS Church?

 

Why don’t we see all the Laws and ordinances of the LDS Church written in the Bible? Surely if the current LDS Church is the re-establishment of the early Church, then these Laws would have been very important and should have been preserved in God’s word.

 

Jeremiah 31:33-34 (KJV)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

Who are these verses talking about? Those under the new covenant.

 
Hebrews 8:13
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 
God did away with the old covenant of Law, replacing it with one of Grace and whoever has accepted the gift offered to them in Jesus’ death on the cross, is under the New Covenant. Jeremiah 31:33-34 is speaking of Christians today, He has written His Law on our hearts.

 

What does this mean?

 

The Holy Spirit guides us into obedience, convicting us of wrong doing. The Laws and ordinances of the LDS Church are not there in the Bible because they never were there. God never intended to burden us down with Law upon Law, rule upon rule, but he intended us to walk in the freedom of His grace.

 
Hebrews 9:15
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament,(Covenant) that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament (Covenant), they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

The Old Covenant of Law, exposed our sin, the new Covenant of grace brings us freedom from that sin,

 

The Bible tells us that we can have assurance that we are his.

 

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. (Galatians 4:6)

 

When you put your trust in Jesus Christ, believing on him as the Son of God who died in your place, you become born again, in a moment, receiving the spirit of sonship, as it says also in Romans (I’ve just realised here that the King James does not use the term sonship but adoption, making another point clear, we are adopted into that position, not born into it as the LDS Church teaches.)

 

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

And again…

 

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

Believe on His name and you become a child of God, receiving the Holy spirit who assures you that you are his, and this is so true, as a born again believer I KNOW that I am His for the Holy spirit (Ghost) bares witness to this.
Another point to mention here is being born again…

 

John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 
John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again

 

You MUST be born again! What do you think of when you think of birth? Is it a process that takes years? True for some unfortunate women the birthing process can go into days, but there is a moment of birth.
Jesus uses the term ‘born again’ as a way of describing something that happens to us on a spiritual level when we put our trust in Him. Why does he use this term? If he wanted to describe something that too a long time, that was a process, surely he would have put it another way, perhaps saying ‘you must grow up again,’ but no he uses the phrase ‘born again,’ conveying that it is a thing which happens in a moment, the moment of new birth.

 

The Bible also describes this event as being made into a new creation.

 
2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

It’s not so clear in the KJV which I Quote for our LDS readers but in other versions it’s more clear…
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (ESV)
Notice the past tense, if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature! It’s instant! God sees that genuine faith in him, that inward turning away from sin, and turning to God, and He makes us into a new creature, born again not of the flesh but of the spirit. Unless you’re into evolution, which I assume most of our readers are not, then we all agree that the making of a new creature by God, is not an event which takes years but happens in an instant. As we read in Genesis, God speaks and it happens.

 

I know a lot of LDS will find this hard to accept saying ‘well then you can just sin all you like and still get to be with God? That doesn’t sound right!’ I agree! Remember that when you are truly saved by Him He makes you into a new creature, your inwardly changed, you desire the things of God, the old has passed away and the new has come, when you’re a born again believer you don’t keep on sinning (not deliberately anyway) but your heart desires the things of God and to become more like him.

 

I will leave you with one last scripture to ponder on, and I look forward to your comments.

 

John 5:24 (KJV)

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.